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[Article] De Gea's poor form in numbers
25-04-2019, 12:23 PM
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De Gea's poor form in numbers
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/...goalkeeper

Good piece of stat work to shed light on what we have all picked up on some time this month.


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i think blame lies both way.
His head has been turned by money and that's shown a dip in mentality and commitment. It all effects preparation and concentration.

Also we have been defensively chaotic this season, there was Ole's honeymoon but mostly the season has been a downward spiral.
Young is crap, Lindelof -OK, Smalling - Average, Jones -Average, Shaw-Ok, the rest GARBAGE.
Matic and Fred have offered poor performances and are not protective of the back 4 either.
As a team, defensively we are suspect. A lack of work ethic,quality, stamina and unrelenting injuries has caused yet another season of non-stop tinkering.

The team has become complacent with the best keeper in the world and are letting the opposition have a free shot on him.
It doesn't help that De Gea is also day dreaming about Spain and extra ££££.

We need to play Romero for the remaining 3 games. LVG had one thing right, drop players during contract talks. A 10% in commitment drop makes a big difference.
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25-04-2019, 05:40 PM
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Thanks for sharing. It's like we have Massimo Taibi in goal again...

I don't want to sound like a smartass, but this is why I suggested that we go with Romero as far back as the cup game at Wolves. I remember discussing it with you guys over here and even though Romero conceded a soft goal on that night, I had more confidence in him than I had in De Gea. How different would our season have been if we did what most clubs do in those situations (bench the wantaway player whose head is messed up)? Maybe the tie with Barcelona wouldn't have been so one sided and maybe we would have been in the top 4 right now.

Van Gaal had many flaws and he remains an egotistical prick to this day, but even he could see how unreliable De Gea is when he's in this state of mind. Which is why he refused to play him until he signed a new contract. Ole just keeps playing him and playing him and playing him, hoping that De Gea finally gets his shit together. Like a desperate loser who gambles every night at the casino, hoping that at some point his luck will turn. I refuse to judge Ole tactically because this isn't his group of players and he's working with dross. But he's already been at the club long enough for us to gauge how ruthless he can be. And sorry, but he has let us down in that regard. He is allowing mercenaries to get away with murder and to disgrace our club.

Our twitter account posted that De Gea has had our back all these years and now it's time for us to have his. And I don't know if this was trolling. We have had De Gea's back A LOT! We defended him when he was a skinny struggling youngster during his first season. We even had his back when he handed in the transfer request in 2015 because we acknowledged that he deserved better than our club's mediocrity. But I can't have his back here. He has sabotaged the club.
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25-04-2019, 06:37 PM
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Here's a question, if United hadn't already given Ole a contract would we A) still have had all these crap performances from a bunch of lazy players who think they already did their job and/or B) still give him a contract at the end of the season after all of these shit performances on top of each other with no light at the end of the tunnel?
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25-04-2019, 09:42 PM (This post was last modified: 25-04-2019 09:43 PM by Costas.)
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(25-04-2019 06:37 PM)@JC Wrote:  Here's a question, if United hadn't already given Ole a contract would we A) still have had all these crap performances from a bunch of lazy players who think they already did their job and/or B) still give him a contract at the end of the season after all of these shit performances on top of each other with no light at the end of the tunnel?

A) I think so, yes. It wasn't so much about giving Ole the job as it was about slacking off after PSG. In hindsight, it does feel like we saw that win as a trophy and stopped giving a crap after that. And while there are only 2 games between PSG and Ole getting the job permanently, I think there were signs at the Emirates and especially at Molineux in the cup that these players thought they had done enough this season.

B) That's the million dollar question. I think we would have run out of options and given the job to Ole anyway. Pochettino was never going to come and Allegri will look for a better club. There weren't going to be any decent choices and Ole was going to get the jon for safety reasons anyway.

On another topic, it just dawned on me that since the Wolves loss in the league, we've gone 5 games without a goal from open play. We've drawn blanks 4 times and against West Ham we got those two penalties. The same group of players that scored 9 in 3 games just 6 weeks ago. The decline in form has been astonishing.
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25-04-2019, 09:44 PM
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Browsing newsnow and two ‘articles’ about raids on United. First is PSG to offer 60 million for DDG and Barca to offer 100 million for Rashford. if those offers actually came in would anyone here hesitate to take that money? Doubt they are real
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25-04-2019, 10:19 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2019 11:55 AM by Clint-TheyCallMePapii.)
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(25-04-2019 06:37 PM)@JC Wrote:  Here's a question, if United hadn't already given Ole a contract would we A) still have had all these crap performances from a bunch of lazy players who think they already did their job and/or B) still give him a contract at the end of the season after all of these shit performances on top of each other with no light at the end of the tunnel?


A) Definitely 100%. These players thought after PSG, they had proved themselves and downed tools. Rashford actually believes he is the next Cristiano Ronaldo and Lingard is on cloud 9 because nobody seems to care he does fuck all and his stats show that. The list goes on, Matic literally took a shit on the pitch while we got battered 4-0.

B) 100% No, We gave him a contract because agents/sponsors/prospective investors were twisting Woodward arm about revealing who the next manager is. Ole coincidentally was on a hot streak. It made business sense.
I would have waited until the last home game of the season to make a decision. Ole or not Ole.
In my mind, if Ole got 70+ points, the job is his. Even now, If Ole finishes the season without 70 points or more, I'd question his ability to man-manage during the bad times.


Saying all that, I cannot criticise Ole when he's not had a penny or transfer market.
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26-04-2019, 10:56 AM
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Ole said that he trusts De Gea and that he will start on Sunday. Contract negotiations is something you "have to deal with". It's a weird statement because there are 3 members in that squad right now who have been quietly marginalized exactly because they won't be here next season. De Gea won't be either, so why is he playing? It's not like he has been flawless.

Oh well, it's pointless now. We will finish where we belong. 6th.
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26-04-2019, 12:12 PM
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(26-04-2019 10:56 AM)Costas Wrote:  Ole said that he trusts De Gea and that he will start on Sunday. Contract negotiations is something you "have to deal with". It's a weird statement because there are 3 members in that squad right now who have been quietly marginalized exactly because they won't be here next season. De Gea won't be either, so why is he playing? It's not like he has been flawless.

Oh well, it's pointless now. We will finish where we belong. 6th.

Well I guess this a small tell-tale sign of the difference between the Legendary Fergie and his apprentice.
Loads of Man Utd past greats were negotiating contracts at Utd under Fergie and their form dipped, whether it was Keane, Scholes, Giggs or some one like Ince. The uncertainty always caused a dip.
Fergie tended to use that form as leverage into man-managing the situation. But I remember Keane played and people doubted his performances. Same with Scholes, he played a little less than usual during his contract talks.

Of course he would get it wrong at times too. Carlos Tevez being a example. Tevez was the perfect player compared to Berbatov yet Fergie cut off his nose to spite his face. He tried to downplay the significance of Tevez to a team that later went on to lose Ronaldo and struggle with Berbatov. Tevez was a player possessed during contract talks unlike De Gea.

De Gea is obviously struggling to regain form and he needs a time-out till the summer. 3 games won't change our season. We are nailed down to 6th. We won't finish 5th or 4th. 7 losses out of 9 has sealed that. 2 screw ups from Arsenal + Chelsea isn't unlikely but we have been glued to 6th and the league is all about consistency. Even if we finish 4th, the season is complete failure.
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26-04-2019, 05:48 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2019 11:01 PM by Costas.)
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Papii, I have a different theory about Tevez, mate. He wasn't playing well to secure a new contract with us, but to get as much money as possible from the blue cunts. For me, he was the Pogba of that era. A shithouse with his own agenda who was toxic to have around. I agree that he was more suited to our team playing wise than Berbatov but, attitude wise, give me Berbatov any day. At least Berbatov, even when he was marginalized, wasn't slandering Fergie and the club to his country's journalists.

Anyway, that's ancient history. The fact of the matter is indeed that players have reacted differently to these situations. Keane in 1999 and Giggs in 2005 had very public contract disagreements with the club, but they were actually playing their best football at the time. They knew that they owed it to the club and they also owed it to themselves to show what their true worth is.

Apparently De Gea doesn't have such inclinations. He doesn't care if he costs us points and, even more worrying, he doesn't even care about raising his own stock. Or, maybe the problem is elsewhere. Maybe he does care, but he has allowed outside factors to affect is form. And it's not the first time that's happened. In 2015 he couldn't concentrate on playing due to his transfer request and last year at the World Cup he was awful due to the Lopetegui mess. He's mentally weak and we don't need players like that.
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26-04-2019, 06:50 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2019 06:51 PM by @JC.)
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(26-04-2019 05:48 PM)Costas Wrote:  He's mentally weak and we don't need players like that.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. He's never been a leader on or off the pitch, his organization is poor as his distribution and he's not matured into the commanding presence we need at the back of our defense. We've all overlooked these things due to his incredible saves bailing us out for a few years but if that concentration or ability goes the rest stands out like a sore thumb.

The question to answer now while he's still a hot property is, would we be better off with a less incredible save maker but a better leader and distributor or are we better off keeping him and getting his head right so he's back to making the impossible saves while we just live with the rest of the issues?
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26-04-2019, 11:18 PM
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Costas - I remember Tevez breakdown differently but it's pointless now, it was a good topic in 2009 .


If push comes to shove, we have to cash in on Dave, I don't want to lose him for nothing. He could be any good sides keeper for the next 9 years. But I honestly think he's peaked and has 5 years left at the top, so this is his last big deal.

Who would Woodward the cunt sign to replace him? I trust Dave more than I do Woodward.

Romero is a 2nd keeper never a 1st teamer.

De Gea up until this season, was very reliable in his kicking and keeping and now his best assets are dwindling. Not all keepers are Ederson but DDG is beginning to look like a lesser keeper and this season as bad as Tim Howard and Roy Carroll.
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