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08-03-2019, 10:36 PM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2019 11:20 PM by Clint-TheyCallMePapii.)
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[Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Kick Off 16:30 GMT | Emirates Stadium | Ref: Jonathan Moss


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Team News:
- Ole has declared Martial, Matic and Herrera ready for the game.
- Pogba returns from suspension. Bailly is not injured.
- Mata & Lingard trained but have not been mentioned by Ole.
- Lingard,Alexis,Jones, Valencia, Darmian not expected to be involved.

Arsenal are without Bellerin and Welbeck. Lucas Torreira is suspended.
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08-03-2019, 11:31 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs, Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Tricky decision here. Stick with the players who have done well this week or bring back guys like Herrera and Matic who know how to win games like this?

I think a draw would be a good result all things considered. It's never easy to win twice at Arsenal in such a short period.
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09-03-2019, 12:30 AM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
(08-03-2019 11:31 PM)Costas Wrote:  Tricky decision here. Stick with the players who have done well this week or bring back guys like Herrera and Matic who know how to win games like this?

I think a draw would be a good result all things considered. It's never easy to win twice at Arsenal in such a short period.

I wouldn't stick with the same players. Guys like Perreira and Fred played out of desperation. Even Lukaku. But's back on fire now...
Dalot played right wing out of desperation and a lack of options. Perreira is not suddenly better than Herrera or Fred suddenly more imposing than Matic. While Dalot does answer the right sided question, he is not the right winger long term, just in the short term until we target a player like Jadon Sancho.

A draw could be likely. I wouldn't be satisfied with a draw, it would feel like a loss. Arsenal are a garbage team. Honestly, garbage.

Lingard turned their ground into a dancefloor. They are coming off an embarrassing defeat. Emery is statistically stronger at home. This is a game where Arsenal should be redeeming themselves and making the adjustments that they failed to notice during the cup game.

We have to change our game too. We can't be predictable. Teams will have studied our counter attacks and prepared for Ole's Utd. Arsenal are the same old weak minded side. They are runts who are easily broken. We need to stay one step ahead. I wouldn't completely chuck in the newly fit players though.

IMO Young and Shaw have not displayed enough quality offensively. I don't want to see both but it's likely. Defensively Young has been the worst of the back 4.
McTominay has been the best of the 3 reserve midfielders. I doubt both Matic/Herrera are 100% fit to complete the 90 minutes.
We need a rapid front 3 + Pogba. Martial has been managed well. But Lingard has not, he shouldn't be risked. But I do want Lingard involved.

It's easy to beat Arsenal.
- Let them overplay and over complicate. Let them commit forward recklessly.
- Be aggressive, be first to the crunching tackles, play cynically and disrupt their comfort.
- Counter attack and attack in behind the weak minded players. (Leno,Mustafi,Koscielny,Kolasinac,Xhaka,Mikhitaryan, Iwobi are mediocre and weak.)

It would help if De Gea find some form, he's not been himself recently. Less assured, poor distribution. limited passing range. He needs to be ready for United self-imposed Park the Bus style against these stupid sides that plough forward and leave big spaces in behind to be exposed in transitions.

If DDG's distribution and form is sharp, we have this game. But if he has another PSG performances, this could be a draw. Dave needs to find some confidence.
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09-03-2019, 04:29 AM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
If Matic isn't 100% I'd keep playing with McTominay in the holding role. He's getting better each week, stats from Paris...

Scott McTominay’s game by numbers vs. PSG:

100% final third passes completed
96.2% pass accuracy
5/5 tackles won
4 ball recoveries
1 interception
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09-03-2019, 11:26 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2019 11:35 AM by Costas.)
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Ander is probably the easier call. His injury wasn't serious and he can slot in and do a job on the right in Andreas' place. Matic is a touchy one. He's older, his body is heavier and I'm not sure this is the game he should be returning for. Plus, McTominay has exceeded expectations (even so, I didn't realize he was as good in Paris as JC's stats show!).

Also, I wouldn't drop Fred. He did well on Wednesday and rewarding that with another start at the Emirates, wil prompt him to play even better. Martial, I would keep on the bench in case of an emergency. This game is probably too soon for Jesse, but at Wolves he, Martial and Matic should start.

So my lineup would be: DDG - Young, Smalling, Linde, Shaw - Herrera, McTom, Fred - Pogba - Rashford, Lukaku

Arsenal have an unknown factor about them now. If Wenger was still in charge, we could use the same tactics we used in the previous game and outsmart them again. But I have a feeling Emery will be better prepared this time. And we also don't know what team he's going to play due to their Europa League obligations. The problem is that Sokratis will play this time and he's their one defender who truly worries me. He's not a headless chicken like the others.
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09-03-2019, 04:30 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
(09-03-2019 04:29 AM)@JC Wrote:  If Matic isn't 100% I'd keep playing with McTominay in the holding role. He's getting better each week, stats from Paris...

Scott McTominay’s game by numbers vs. PSG:

100% final third passes completed. (They could be simple passes and really safe.)
96.2% pass accuracy ( Jorgiinho has better for a shite player).
5/5 tackles won ( Nice but how many did his team mates make? This is the weaker part of his game IMO.)
4 ball recoveries ( Decent stat but doesn't this mean tackles won?)
1 interception ( Weakest aspect of his game )

Not a big fan of stats these days. Stats needs context and analysis. McTominay weaknesses are things Herrera and Pogba are specialists in. He is similar to Matic. But Matic is experienced and has immense confidence in his ability and strength.

I will say however, Scott McT is probably 2-3 big games away from changing my mind completely. He's not Fellaini, Fletcher, Butt or Matic but he's showing he can be a reliable reserve player for the next 3-4 years if Woodward does fuck up the recruitment over the next few years.
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09-03-2019, 04:41 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Well well well, Southampton comes back from a goal down to beat Spurs 2-1. Big big match tomorrow!
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09-03-2019, 04:42 PM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2019 05:09 PM by Clint-TheyCallMePapii.)
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
And Spurs have lost to Southamton. They have chocked. We all saw it coming .... typical Tottenham Biglaugh

(09-03-2019 11:26 AM)Costas Wrote:  So my lineup would be: DDG - Young, Smalling, Linde, Shaw - Herrera, McTom, Fred - Pogba - Rashford, Lukaku

Arsenal have an unknown factor about them now. If Wenger was still in charge, we could use the same tactics we used in the previous game and outsmart them again. But I have a feeling Emery will be better prepared this time. And we also don't know what team he's going to play due to their Europa League obligations. The problem is that Sokratis will play this time and he's their one defender who truly worries me. He's not a headless chicken like the others.

Apparently Emery will experiment with a different approach.I can't imagine them surrendering possession, playing long balls in behind or outworking us. They have very naive,stupid footballers in Mustafi, Koscielny, Xhaka, Kolasinac and alot of bottlers after that. I like Sokratis but he's drowning in a sea of mediocre footballers there. It's rubbing off on the poor bloke, he's making alot of errors too.

Don't think 2 changes for us are enough. Hard to leave Dalot out, he's very important in recent weeks. More so than Shaw and Young as he provides genuine width neither is capable of. The midfield battle isn't very critical against Arsenal. They are top heavy. Having an on form keeper, solid back 4 and 3/4 lethal counter attacking players do the trick.
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09-03-2019, 05:15 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Manchester United's travelling 20-man squad for Arsenal fixture ( 18 man match squad + 2*)
Goalkeepers: De Gea, Romero, Grant*
Defenders: Dalot, Shaw, Lindelof, Smalling, Rojo*, Bailly, Young
Midfielders: Pogba, McTominay, Fred, Matic, Andreas Pereira
Forwards: Greenwood, Rashford, Chong, Martial, Lukaku

Lingard,Herrera,Mata not fit.
Alexis, Jones, Darmian, Valencia still out injured.
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09-03-2019, 07:05 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Can't believe it. We may actually catch up Spurs if we win tomorrow. The difference was 13 points when Ole took over! I didn't think we could ever possibly catch them up.

And keep in mind that Spurs still have to play at Anfield and the Etihad.

(09-03-2019 04:42 PM)Clint-TheyCallMePapii Wrote:  Apparently Emery will experiment with a different approach.I can't imagine them surrendering possession, playing long balls in behind or outworking us. They have very naive,stupid footballers in Mustafi, Koscielny, Xhaka, Kolasinac and alot of bottlers after that. I like Sokratis but he's drowning in a sea of mediocre footballers there. It's rubbing off on the poor bloke, he's making alot of errors too.

Don't think 2 changes for us are enough. Hard to leave Dalot out, he's very important in recent weeks. More so than Shaw and Young as he provides genuine width neither is capable of. The midfield battle isn't very critical against Arsenal. They are top heavy. Having an on form keeper, solid back 4 and 3/4 lethal counter attacking players do the trick.

In his current form and fitness, Lukaku could definitely cause them problems on the break. That's the good news. The bad news is no Lingard, who thrives against this lot. And Martial can't start yet.

So in light of that, if Ole thinks a 4-3-3 is the best system against Arsenal then maybe Dalot can play on the right side of the front 3. He's proven he can play in that position and he can help out Young defensively. Playing 3 up front will also cause Sokratis to man mark Lukaku outside the box, allowing Rashford more space against Mustafi or Koscielny.

Fuck, now I'm getting nervous about the game. I had forgotten what that feeling was like during Mourinho's tenure. Blush
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09-03-2019, 07:38 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Costas -

Not nervous at all, just don't want us to be complacent.

If Arsenal play like a side possessed and refuse to roll over after the Spurs "defeat" and Rennes capitulation and we come up short then we will have accept a draw/less because we are still in our injury crisis and have done amazing to perform so well.

Arsenal have 3 long term injuries, we have had 9 in one go for about 3 weeks. No way is Matic/Martial ready to roll back in seamlessly. And no way are our subs/youths all of sudden proven seasoned starters.

I think Ole will go with:

DDG - Young,Smalling,Lindelof,Shaw - McTominay,Matic,Pogba - Rashford, Martial, Lukaku
Subs: Romero, Bailly, Dalot, Fred, Perreira, Chong, Greenwood.

But with the recovery time given to Martial, I can see him starting over Dalot so we have defenders on the bench and also options if Martial and Matic need to be taken off. This whole Dalot super sub thing has been working recently. I can see Ole sticking with Dalot as a super sub.
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10-03-2019, 03:06 AM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2019 03:07 AM by BuffaloRed.)
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
(09-03-2019 07:05 PM)Costas Wrote:  Can't believe it. We may actually catch up Spurs if we win tomorrow. The difference was 13 points when Ole took over! I didn't think we could ever possibly catch them up.

And keep in mind that Spurs still have to play at Anfield and the Etihad.

(09-03-2019 04:42 PM)Clint-TheyCallMePapii Wrote:  Apparently Emery will experiment with a different approach.I can't imagine them surrendering possession, playing long balls in behind or outworking us. They have very naive,stupid footballers in Mustafi, Koscielny, Xhaka, Kolasinac and alot of bottlers after that. I like Sokratis but he's drowning in a sea of mediocre footballers there. It's rubbing off on the poor bloke, he's making alot of errors too.

Don't think 2 changes for us are enough. Hard to leave Dalot out, he's very important in recent weeks. More so than Shaw and Young as he provides genuine width neither is capable of. The midfield battle isn't very critical against Arsenal. They are top heavy. Having an on form keeper, solid back 4 and 3/4 lethal counter attacking players do the trick.

In his current form and fitness, Lukaku could definitely cause them problems on the break. That's the good news. The bad news is no Lingard, who thrives against this lot. And Martial can't start yet.

So in light of that, if Ole thinks a 4-3-3 is the best system against Arsenal then maybe Dalot can play on the right side of the front 3. He's proven he can play in that position and he can help out Young defensively. Playing 3 up front will also cause Sokratis to man mark Lukaku outside the box, allowing Rashford more space against Mustafi or Koscielny.

Fuck, now I'm getting nervous about the game. I had forgotten what that feeling was like during Mourinho's tenure. Blush

Still a lot of games ahead of us before end of season so one game at a time. My worry is after such a huge win there is usually an emotionally drained squad. (See City comeback in April and next fixture).

Hopefully Ole has brought that up and there is no complacency tmrow. Also as a Stathopoulos I prefer at least the other Greek calls him Papastathopoulos not Sokratis? ??. Spurs still have the goal difference even if we win. More importantly it puts us 4 ahead of Arsenal. Big big match tmrow. Bring it on!
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10-03-2019, 07:07 AM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Papii, it's not so much complacency, I'm worried about. I just hate having the same fixture twice in a short while. The odds of winning both games aren't great (we also have 2 trips to Molineux in the coming weeks). Buffalo Red also makes a good point about the game following a huge emotional high. Usually there's a hangover. On the other end, Arsenal go into the game with something to prove.

That's why all things considered I'd take a draw. I certainly don't want Ole's first meaningful loss to be to these pricks.
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10-03-2019, 07:09 AM
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(10-03-2019 03:06 AM)BuffaloRed Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 07:05 PM)Costas Wrote:  Can't believe it. We may actually catch up Spurs if we win tomorrow. The difference was 13 points when Ole took over! I didn't think we could ever possibly catch them up.

And keep in mind that Spurs still have to play at Anfield and the Etihad.

(09-03-2019 04:42 PM)Clint-TheyCallMePapii Wrote:  Apparently Emery will experiment with a different approach.I can't imagine them surrendering possession, playing long balls in behind or outworking us. They have very naive,stupid footballers in Mustafi, Koscielny, Xhaka, Kolasinac and alot of bottlers after that. I like Sokratis but he's drowning in a sea of mediocre footballers there. It's rubbing off on the poor bloke, he's making alot of errors too.

Don't think 2 changes for us are enough. Hard to leave Dalot out, he's very important in recent weeks. More so than Shaw and Young as he provides genuine width neither is capable of. The midfield battle isn't very critical against Arsenal. They are top heavy. Having an on form keeper, solid back 4 and 3/4 lethal counter attacking players do the trick.

In his current form and fitness, Lukaku could definitely cause them problems on the break. That's the good news. The bad news is no Lingard, who thrives against this lot. And Martial can't start yet.

So in light of that, if Ole thinks a 4-3-3 is the best system against Arsenal then maybe Dalot can play on the right side of the front 3. He's proven he can play in that position and he can help out Young defensively. Playing 3 up front will also cause Sokratis to man mark Lukaku outside the box, allowing Rashford more space against Mustafi or Koscielny.

Fuck, now I'm getting nervous about the game. I had forgotten what that feeling was like during Mourinho's tenure. Blush

Still a lot of games ahead of us before end of season so one game at a time. My worry is after such a huge win there is usually an emotionally drained squad. (See City comeback in April and next fixture).

Hopefully Ole has brought that up and there is no complacency tmrow. Also as a Stathopoulos I prefer at least the other Greek calls him Papastathopoulos not Sokratis? ??. Spurs still have the goal difference even if we win. More importantly it puts us 4 ahead of Arsenal. Big big match tmrow. Bring it on!

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10-03-2019, 11:05 AM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Sadly Herrera failed a late fitness test and he didn't make the squad.
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10-03-2019, 02:53 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Herrera,Lingard,Mata all trained but came up short in the tests. Good thing is Martial & Matic trained well and was given rests unlike Lingard who was risked,

Between McTominay & Fred I would pick the more naturally talented one.I would like Fred to start and it would be harsh to leave him out. Arsenal's midfield is weak compared to other competitive sides, so it might not be too difficult for him. However Scott offers more balance as Matic is prone to a brain fart and benefits hugely next to a hard working sitting midfielder like Herrera and Kante. So Scott McTominay is logically the better choice out of the two. But it would be harsh on Fred given he was quality against a top side like PSG.
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10-03-2019, 03:22 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
DDG - YOUNG, SMALLING, LINDE, SHAW - FRED, MATIC, POGBA - DALOT, LUKAKU, RASHFORD
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10-03-2019, 03:26 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2019 03:26 PM by @JC.)
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
Fred in the Herrera terrier role and Dalot our new RW signing starting up front. Here's hoping they both make the most of their chances.
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10-03-2019, 03:29 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2019 03:30 PM by Costas.)
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
The good thing is that some of these guys are relatively fresh. I just hope Matic shows no signs of rust. Experience wise, he's more suited for this game than McTom, but Scott would have been kept up better with the pace of the match.

Other than that, the lineup is the strongest possible right now. We will just need Fred to be as disciplined as he was in Paris.
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10-03-2019, 03:29 PM
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RE: [Premier League] Arsenal vs. Manchester Utd (10/03/19)
MUFC : De Gea; Young, Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw; Matic, Pogba, Fred, Dalot, Rashford, Lukaku
Subs: Romero, Bailly, Rojo, McTominay, Pereira, Martial, Greenwood

Arsenal ( 3-4-3) : Leno, Maitland-Niles, Sokratis, Koscielny, Monreal, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Ramsey, Ozil, Lacazette, Aubameyang
Subs: Cech, Mustafi, Elneny, Guendouzi, Suarez, Iwobi, Nketiah
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